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- | ====== Non-reciprocal Asymmetric HF Propagation ====== | ||
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- | --- //John Pumford-Green 02/06/23 08:18// | ||
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- | On recent 60m QSOs in the early morning with G4VLC / Hereford we've noted a substantial asymmetry in the observed S/N readings on signals in each direction. | ||
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- | Peter' | ||
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- | At other times of day the S/N reports have been more similar, with differences mainly due to different TX powers, but not such a gross discrepancy between the North -> South and South -> North paths as seen during these morning asymmetrical QSOs. | ||
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- | ==== Possible Cause? ==== | ||
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- | One thing I thought of that could explain the asymmetry is excessive feeder loss in **my** feeder between radio and antenna. This would decrease my ERP by the amount of the excess feeder loss, and the S/N would be degraded at the far end by the same amount. In the reverse direction a lossy feeder on receive might go un-noticed. The thinking for this is that the receiver' | ||
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- | To make sure that I wasn't causing the asymmetry myself, with a lossy feeder, I measured the power loss across the feeder from shack to Antenna feed point in 2 ways. | ||
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- | === Tests === | ||
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- | - Inject a carrier at 10W at the shack and measure the power at the far end of the feeder | ||
- | - Make a swept return-loss measurement on the feeder, with an open circuit at the far end. The measured Return Loss will be 2x the feeder loss. | ||
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- | === Results === | ||
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- | - 10w input -> 8.5W at the far end : 0.7dB feeder loss | ||
- | - Swept Return Loss -> 1.6dB : 0.8dB feeder loss | ||
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- | I'm confident that the feeder **isn' | ||
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- | I have some patch-leads and coaxial switches in the shack between the transceiver and the feeder input, so I also did a swept through-loss measurement of these and found the loss to be around 0.4dB. That makes a total of 1.1dB. For 20W TX power I'd expect 15.5W to appear at the antenna feed point. I assume most other people have similar feeder losses (possibly worse?) | ||
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- | ==== WSPR ==== | ||
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- | I decided to try and capture the effect on a North - South UK path between Shetland and G4ZFQ on the Isle of Wight, 1061km due south from here, so I set up a WSPR session overnight hoping to capture a asymmetry in the reported S/N ratios on the North -> South versus South -> North paths. | ||
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- | I ran WSPR overnight on the UK 60m WSPR slot, at 1W TX power and checked the resulting spots the next morning. Below is a graph of the reported S/N ratios for each path, separately. | ||
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- | It's clear that overnight the S/N was largely stable, with difference of around 10dB (favouring the South -> North Path, and probably due to my lower noise floor?). At around 02:30z the S/N for the two paths started to diverge, as the S/N received here (South -> North) improved while the S/N received at G4ZFQ (North -> South) declined, and continued to drop through the morning. | ||
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- | As a first test I think it shows that there is // | ||
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- | What causes it? | ||
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